Friday, September 3, 2010

Decision #2 (Solar Panels): Not Quite Done!

WARNING: This is looooong. You won't hurt my feelings if you skip this post. I'm actually doing it for myself so I remember the process we've gone through. It's also to help anybody from Hawaii going through the same decision.

OK... You'd think we'd be confused, right? We've now listened to a total of 5 Photo Voltaic consultants. We added Mark of Company #3 and another Mark from Company #4 and John from Company #5. The interesting thing is every one of them had a very different presentation. We liked all the presenters, but we had to remind ourselves not to choose by personality. They were all knowledgeable and earnest in their convictions.

Each company gave us a different angle and something else to consider. I won't go into the specifics of the micro vs. string or central inverters, the different brands of solar panels, the warranties of labor and materials, the source of the materials, how reputable each company was, how well their panels would last in Hawaii's salt air, how long they had been in the solar business, the PRICE, the payback period, etc. They all had good and better points.

Did you know solar cells lose a lot of efficiency when it's over 90 degrees F? I thought it would be great if it was sunny and hot. Nope. The panels also need to be as south facing toward the sun as possible.

In the end, we went with Company #5. One of the good reasons was they would guarantee parts and labor for 10 years. The solar panel company's limited warranty guarantees the output of the panels for 25 years.

We called John of Company #5 and told him we would sign the papers. Not half an hour after we called Company #5, another company that Art signed up with at the Home Show called to say their company is the only company who would guarantee parts and labor for 25 years and could he come to give a presentation?

ARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

We stuck by our decision and had John come out. John had us check an on-line site that could actually gauge how much power different parts of our roof could provide. We discovered that the lower roof where we wanted to put the panels would only output about 65% solar energy because it was facing NW. (We could add tilts for about $1,700 plus we'd need to add another layer of roofing for another $1,500 since that roof is rather old. $$$$ The Payback period was getting farther and farther away.) Stationing the panels on our second floor roof would be MUCH better (90% output), but would be too difficult to keep clean. Remember all that pigeon poop we get, not to mention salty residue and dirt in the air?

John says he's convinced that we'll have no problem. The rain can keep the panels clean. (It sure doesn't keep our windows clean!) He's even offering to come himself in 6 months and a year to check the grime and help clean it.

Then there's that 25 year energy output guarantee. How do they know the problem is not pigeon poop? Will they make us climb up on the roof to check? Would we have to pay somebody to climb up there everytime the monitor shows a problem with the panels? I've already e-mailed John that I'll take him up on that offer to climb up onto that high roof. Could he have been serious? (Postscript: Later e-mails hints that he regretted telling me that. We already know he hates heights.)

So yes, we're getting close, but not quite there yet. I'm learning more about photo voltaics than I ever thought I would. More people should really get them in Hawaii, especially with our astronomical energy costs. However, there IS a lot to research and learn.

Someone warned us that presenters will sometimes tell you what you want to hear and forget to mention certain things you should know.

I can't wait for this decision to be over. Once the panels are up, we should reduce our energy bill to just the hook-up fee to Hawaiian Electric which is about $20.00 a month. It will take about 8 years for the energy generated to pay off the cost of installation, taking into account the Federal and State credits that are offered.

Therefore, if the system should somehow die right after the 10 year warranty expires, we would still have had 2 years of solar energy. It all sounds good on paper. It remains to be seen.

17 comments:

  1. Kay, I remember when one of the owners of the company where I work was having panels put on his roof-it was just as much of an ordeal as what you and Art are having! It is a big decision and alot of money, so you should think about everything and gather all the information you can. I know you and Art will pick just the right company! Good luck!

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  2. wow what a process...glad they won't let us have solar panels in our development. We have so much sun and heat here....lol! Glad you were able to make a decision and stay with it.

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  3. good luck Kay, it all sounds fantastic in theory. And you'll be reducing your carbon footprint at the same time as saving money.

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  4. I had no idea it could get so complicated. I think I will bookmark this post just in case. Thanks Kay and good luck!
    An English Girl Rambles

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  5. It's a nightmare, isn't it? Every expert out-experting every other. Good luck. Keep smiling (or grimacing)

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  6. We got Sun Power to do ours, and we have been 100% pleased. I know some people enjoy talking to everyone, informing themselves, and so on. And it is a big cash outlay. But I notice that people buy expensive cars and other consumer goods without too much agonizing.
    This is a 20 year investment and adds value to your home, unlike a new car.
    We just looked at who was running Sun Power, who had liked them (everyone) and said, OK, do it. They loved it that we weren't fussy but just trusted them, and they did a great job. There were some little glitches that they fixed right away. None for a couple of years, now, though. We recently "crossed over," ie have now generated more electricity than we have used over the time we've had our 20 panel array. This would have happened sooner, but we put in only ten panels initially, in order to get the rebates twice by putting one set in late in the year and the next set early in the next year. We figure we will reach the break-even point in six more years (or maybe even sooner), when our electricity will be free!!! And there is that thrill of looking at a $.00 electric bill (Helco charges $20.00 a month for services, though, because we are on the grid.)
    Our hemming and hawing neighbors are still paying big electric bills, so when they eventually get around to putting in panels they will be out all the money we've saved by just going ahead and getting our array installed.
    We do have an ideal situation: A sloping roof and sloping lanai stepping down to a southern exposure. The panels are invisible from most angles, too.
    Our one-day record for generating electricity was 23.3 KWH. We generally use 12-14 kwh/ day. We have fans going all the time and leave our computers on, and my husband has a home lab, so yes, we do use a lot of electricity, even though we hang out our wash and have a gas stove. So it's nice it's free.

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  7. Hattie: Thanks so much for your input, Hattie. We have also chosen Sun Power panels. Our big problem now is which roof. The lower which needs tilts or the more southern exposure which is WAY up high that we can't clean.

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  8. You have to do your research on this stuff and I admire how you go about it Kay...

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  9. Good luck and best wishes, Kay!

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  10. Wow!!! This is interesting. I wish I could find a way to save on my gas bill!

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  11. One more comment from the Kay collection.
    All the tips and hints will be very helpful to me in my campaign to have my husband install solar panels on our south-facing roof. This part of southern Alberta is the sunniest place in Canada, but is anyone using solar power? Not hardly. And our electricity here is generated by natural gas!!
    My husband says we're too old and won't get back our investment. That reasoning makes me crazy. My parents weren't exactly young when they installed solar panels on their winter home in Mexico some 20 years ago, but they did it, and were never sorry.
    The "greening" of power has to start somewhere, so why not with us?
    There is also a lot of wind in this area, but people say wind turbines are "too noisy" and "not good for our ears" -- feeble excuses which will end us leaving the world in a far worse state than we found it.
    Kay
    Alberta, Canada

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  12. Here in Seattle with no more sun than we generally get in a year, I'm afraid it would be a futile effort. Particularly as old as this house is! Good luck! Hope it works out great for you!

    Sylvia

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  13. How exciting, Kay! You are being very "green" putting in solar panels. I hope you are happy with your purchase and that you have many years of free energy.

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  14. We can't have any....part of a condo, but I long to put a row up on my roof.

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  15. It seems like it's costing you more in personal energy than you're ever going to save in dollars!

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  16. Wow you guys sure have done your homework! I hate to admit this but I usually stay out of decisions like this. Shane will try to involve me but something shuts off in my brain as I try to seem interested! I think it is neat how you are so involved in the mainance and improvement of your home! I help by keeping Matthew out of the way:)

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  17. I wish you Good Luck !After going through Hatties comment ,i think you are on a right track.
    Thanks for sharing this post.

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