Friday, July 12, 2024

Bathroom Renovation: Painting Touch-Ups, Plumbing, Toilet Trauma

I've decided to write a general sequence of the bathroom renovation progress instead of the daily stress we were having to deal with after the initial calm start. The first part of this project was to complete the guest bathroom downstairs so mom could use it while her bathroom was being renovated.

The electricians came in and changed the direction of the lights they'd installed. I was worried about the bugs and dust that could fall in.

The mirror with storage was installed, but was cheaper and flimsier looking than what we expected so the contractor said he would order another one.

We'd asked for a faucet with a hot and cold water handle which would be less confusing for mom. But this one control faucet was installed. The contractor said he would order the correct one.


Then the Costco Toto toilet we ordered was installed.

To our shock, the floor to seat was higher than what we expected.

The diagram showed that the height was supposed to be 15.6875" from floor to seat.

When we looked at the box the toilet came in AFTER it was installed, it said it was rim and 17.6875" to 16.5625" to the bowl the seat. 

That's when we saw that the specifications is DIFFERENT from the diagram. Arrghh!

We'd bought it at Costco because the contractor had told us that the cost of a Toto toilet would range from $2,200-$7,600 a piece and he’d have to raise our contract price by as much as 20%-40%.

However, when mom sat on the Costco toilet her feet were dangling in the air!

So we decided to bite the bullet and go to The Bathroom Store and just pay the money for a shorter Toto toilet. What a shock when the sales representative, 'Steve' told us they were having a 25% discount so it actually cost us $536.39! The Costco Toto toilet was $748.99 with shipping included. But then there's the tax. Steve also told us the Board of Water supply would be giving $100 rebates for water efficient toilets unless they run out of funds.

When I told the contractor about our upset, he said he would make it right and bring the 2 Costco toilets to the store for refunds. We then bought an additional low toilet from The Bathroom Store the next day. 

Sigh... 

On to the next problem...

When the bathroom door was cut at the bottom to fit, some of the wood veneer skin on the lauan door flaked off. 

It's an old door. 

It happens.

The contractor suggested we buy a roll of the veneer banding on Amazon.



Art hated to buy 25 feet of this banding for such a short bit we needed so he decided to glue the loose, thin veneers on both sides of the door. He then found a thin slat from his wood scrap stockpile, painted it the same color as the trim in the bathroom and glued it on.


Then I asked the contractor if I could now apply some clear caulk to the spaces on the grab bars. He did not recommend it saying it's bound to peel off and mold would just settle on top of the caulk.

I looked online and found this on GrabBars.com

You don’t have to caulk around shower grab bars; however, we do recommend applying a silicone sealant around grab bars in your shower. This will help prevent water from seeping into the holes where the grab bar is mounted, which could cause mold or mildew growth.

The best and easiest way to ensure your shower grab bars are their most secure and durable is to apply a silicone sealant around the upper half after they have been professionally installed into the tiles or shower wall. The silicone sealant will block out any moisture from getting behind the flange covers. If you do not seal around the upper half of your grab bar, water will get behind the flange covers, sit there, and begin to rust the stainless steel grab bars over time. This would then require you to replace the damaged grab bars.

So I did it. I caulked all the spaces.

However.... Arrghhh... When I asked Josh, the plumber about it, he said I should use a special silicon caulk. Doggone it!

Sigh...

So here we are now.

The lower Toto toilet and bidet have replaced the taller Costco toilet.

There's still the shower bar to go up so the height of the spray can be adjusted to mom's height.

Knobs have to be installed on the the new cabinet doors. The fan is still missing.

Shelf liners need to be placed. 

However, the contractor says mom can use the shower now.

She'll have to because he's already started the demolition of her bathroom although he said we could have two days to acclimate mom to the new configuration of the guest shower. 

POSTSCRIPT 1:

We had a confrontation with the contractor who suddenly arrived in the evening. He told us we are the most difficult people he's had to work with and we'd caused him quite a bit of consternation. He reminded us that he's had excellent YELP reviews. And yes, he has. That's why Art chose him.

I told him the debacle of the toilet choice and then getting fixtures installed that we hadn't chosen really made us lose confidence in him. He said the erroneous price information he gave us was because his previous client had asked for an extremely expensive toilet and he thought we might too. 

He said everything would be remedied with a punch list that we could provide just as he fixed the problem with the lower Toto toilets and nicer vanity mirror he installed.

So there's hope. Perhaps it will go better from this on end. 

We'll see.

POSTSCRIPT 2:

Since the contractor was pretty frustrated with us being frustrated with him, we decided to just return the Costco toilets ourselves instead of waiting for him to do it as he said he would. Our neighbor helped us load the toilets into our van and my brother and sister-in-law met us at Costco and helped us load it onto a cart to return them. The one saving grace was that when I explained what happened to the return desk, they immediately accepted the toilets and refunded us everything including the shipping! It was that easy. I was amazed!

Finally... something easy. Sigh...

POSTSCRIPT 3: (July 6th after over a month and a half of renovation)

A couple of weeks later the contractor arrived at our dinner time because he was upset that we were still angry and didn't seem to trust him. We were able to talk everything through. 

We explained that this all began with him sending us the text that our price would be raised 20%-40% if we chose the Toto toilet, installing fixtures we hadn’t chosen and also putting in other items that appeared cheaper than what we expected. He says that he never meant he would have to raise our price. He meant he would then have to raise his own costs. He asked why we didn’t go to the Bathroom Store. We told him it was because he sent us to a website that showed Toto toilets only in the $2,000 to $8,000 price range. And so it went.

I kept thinking back to when I was teaching my first graders a unit on how to manage arguments and confrontations. I used it on myself to control how I reacted to what he was saying. In the end, believe it or not... we were at a healthier place 🤞and he smiled and said he'd like to be friends. We do too.

17 comments:

  1. Renovations are never easy and come with conflict. Hope in the end all will be good. -Christine cmlk79.blogspot.com

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  2. Long ago, I learned to be VERY selective in whom I did work for. It is hard to quote time and materials whenever the receiving individual is very specific on their materials. I would rather them pick out all the materials themselves and just let me be the installer but then they often cringe at the labor price. So to remain on good terms, I usually just say I'm not the right person and suggest others that might be willing to do it.

    I have never had a contractor do work for me where there wasn't a lot of give on my part and dissatisfaction. I'm fairly particular which causes a lot of problems. That is why for now, I still mostly do my own work. But I know the day is coming when I'll have to just swallow my complaints and let someone else do the work.

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  3. Oh gosh. I hate these stories. I am so glad you are getting through this project. What a stressful experience.

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  4. Oh jeepers! Guess an outhouse would have been easier! Okay, most grab bars come with a silicone, black, thick wafer that fits behind the end cover bracket where the screws are mounted and extends just outside the round edge of the mounting bracket/cover. Those solve the need for gasket glue. Hope Mom gets used to her new spot! Linda in Kansas

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  5. I feel for you. The inconvenience of renovations plus the constant miscommunication with contractors are extraordinarily stressing. Ugh!

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  6. Renovations are always stressful. Hopefully it will all be what you needed when finished. Does mom's new shower have a seat or room for a seat? I find this very important. Just thought I'd mention it.

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    1. Kay of Musings: The guest bathroom which is what she is using now while hers is being worked on is much too small. We’ve been thinking about a seat for her shower, but not sure yet what kind. There’s so much to think about when you’re planning for a 95 year old.

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    2. We have built in tile seats in our showers and I can't imagine not having one. You can just buy a shower seat to add to a shower, but I would think that takes up more room.

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  7. Sometimes Yelp reviews aren't that great - unless you order food.

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  8. When everyone is under stress, tempers can flare. I'm glad you got it worked out and got to express your feelings. I would still like to strangle the very nice plumber who did part of my master bathroom remodel. He put a wax ring on the toilet that was for vinyl floor and not the higher tile. It ended up causing a leak that then cost me a lot of time, anguish and annoyance. You better believe that I now know everything about wax rings!

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  9. You are not aloe in the challenges of your renovations. The contractors probably have similar problems.

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  10. I hope all the renovations are drawing to a close!

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  11. when our boys moved out, we gutted their bathroom and remodeled the entire thing. i picked everything out and the contractor would not start until everything came it. we waited a few weeks, everything had been received, he started and it was done in one week. everything and it came out beautifully!! we just contracted to have his mothers 2 bathrooms done, the contractor had retired, so we had to go with someone else. it was a nightmare, much like yours. my husband ended up doing some of the work and the contractor had to redo items that were not acceptable!! i don't know why it is so had but you are not alone. i like the decision to change the light!! i don't rely on yelp anymore!!

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  12. This is a lesson in patience. You two do such amazing work around your home. All the best.

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  13. There are many downsides to not owning a home, because I cannot change anything in my bathroom, but so far everything we have asked for to be changed has been done easily. So sorry to hear about this awful situation, but glad it seems to be working out.

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  14. Goodness! These renovations have been SO stressful.

    All the best Jan

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